@eryn I had the impression IRC was kind of a hot mess (aside from needing a UI update by about 2 decades).
@Angle New-to-me! More investigation needed; I'm not sure where I can actually access the source code... but it sounds like it's filling the Signal/DChat niche rather than the Discord niche.
That said, we may have to start there, unless Revolt Stoat might be made usable (they don't seem to have a lot of support for self-hosting it... and no fedi presence :-P).
@eryn @Angle How about trying to do something with Delta Chat to make it more Discord-like?
(DChat uses customized email servers as its back-end, as I understand it.)
@eryn @Angle I mean, the "adequate" part was entirely aesthetic in nature, and ignored the engineering issues.
@PandaCab @feorag @netskaven @verge
...and Guilded is no longer available (which shows one compelling reason why proprietary software is not an option).
@PandaCab @feorag @netskaven @verge
Pumble looks to be proprietary, which is an immediate disqualifier.
@Angle @eryn I'd heard from other sources that it could be banged into shape with the right configuration -- but I guess that's purely on the aesthetic side, and under the hood it's a misaligned Wankel Rotary Engine?
[possibly irrelevant footnote: the IBM PC came with BASIC in the ROM, and all IBM-DOS BASIC did was load that; if you tried to run it on a clone, it wouldn't work]
I'm pretty sure there are enough people who would join such a mob as to make it quite overwhelming.
The big problem I see is logistics -- getting everyone together, providing the resources needed for many of them to take time out from their lives, etc.
Anyone want to collaborate on setting up an open-signup #Discord-alternative of some sort (exact platform TBD)?
I can pay for hosting.
@blogdiva @mattblaze @Ehay2k @heidilifeldman
Only if the lesson is "we can totally get away with this stuff regardless of how many people protest it".
@hellomiakoda Mental health with an emphasis on unpacking propaganda, cultural gaslighting, and authoritarianism... yeah. :-/
@bkahn If he's really just gaslighting us into thinking he's got any real idea how to get to the moon, should that be called "moonlighting"? :blobcatthink:
@libramoon In a way, it's perfectly true: the white supremofascists want to protect their brownshirts from accountability.
@riley I always found Visual Basic 6 to be kind of the epitome of the "doesn't require you to remember exact names/spellings of things" IDE. Aside from much of the work being graphical (arranging controls on a form, etc.), there was also the thing where it would pop up lists of suitable identifiers in many contexts -- where by "suitable" I mean actually valid for the given situation, derived from the actual structure/contents of the existing code and libraries, rather than just looking at alphanumeric patterns.
Gambas comes close to matching this (it was intended to fill the same niche) but (from what I can tell) doesn't have the resources to replicate the experience as fully.
Somewhere I typed up a list of my requirements (I can't speak for everyone); I'll have to dig that up..
Revolt does actually meet them all, afaict; the only obstacles are logistical/strategic.
I'm familiar(ish) with RocketChat and Mattermost, but was underwhelmed; I'll have to investigate the other two (thanks for the leads!).
Nobody's asking for identical; just similar-enough (...like Discord vs. Slack)
What are the 4(+) you found?
I have to disagree, then; I've been actively searching for alternatives for years now, and so far the only two remotely viable candidates have been the ones I mentioned (Revolt and Matrix), which both have obstacles to adoption.
(Not insurmountable; just not as easy as, say, switching from Slack to Discord was.)